Draconic Summit Autumn 2022 - 18-panel-discussion-2

hhh can barely wait

Me too. Will join in a minute.

yeeee

should i take any specific trigger warnings into account for this panel? the name itself is kind of vague for me to go off of lol

good morning(?) luunaa c:

I’ll be announcing a trigger warning at the beginning of the panel

oh awesome

mlems good morning!

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aaa i forgot I had a popsicle nooo

Oh oofer ;;W;;

Good morning

Good Morning. Hoping for more turnout later.

can such actions be redeemed in the same lifetime?

What is a haynous act ?

but mice are cute tho

KinDD

What is a haynous act ?

Heinous act as in, evil acts

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thanks

Brb

I have lots of hunting memories myself

i have memories of fishing but... mostly doing so with flying fish

I don't have too much memories of my derg life unfortunately.

Never did hunt any other dragons

I definitely have pretty intense hunting and predatory instincts

I had a dream where I was hunting and it was actually a very euphoric act

4:12 pm

Although in this life I'm (almost) vegetarian

None of us hunted other dragons, but a lot of us have territorial instincts and definitely fought over that

Can't talk rn cause voice dysphoria but I have a lot of intrusive thoughts of killing and eating small animals I find, which makes me feel like a horrible person since I am a pacifist and I feel like it goes against my morals. I also get this specific hunger that can only be solved by eating meat.

Whenever I see fish in a stream I really want to dive in and eat them whole

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I have a craving for the warmth of blood while I eat meat but it's not very accessible for me in this life.

Oh yeah obviously I never act on it but I do still see humans as prey, to be blunt

I hunted many dragons....

we can hear you

For me it is raw fish, you can say what you want, but I'm having this intrusive thought of gulping down raw Tuna or Salmon

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raw fish is one of the most appetizing looking things to me

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I've never met anything made of meat that I wouldn't eat.

I also get revenge fantasies and destroying everything that has ever hurt me, but that is not really draconic or alterhuman for me, just trauma doing wacky things to my brain.

oh god i thought you said vore

Nothing wrong with vore ^.=.^

XD It's an 18+ panel we can go there

it just oddly makes sense with hunting and stuff lol

Vore is a huge coping mechanism for me, but more in the prey than the predator sense.

Nova [☆] Dergs

XD It's an 18+ panel we can go there

We just did. Vore is fun

I am an apex predator who likes being eaten

I have something I can say when Amber is done on stage.

oki doki!

Arycas Limio (🏳🌈 voilo)

Vore is a huge coping mechanism for me, but more in the prey than the predator sense.

Same, actually. Like. I am a predator and hunting and eating appeals to the predator drive but as a kink I'm into the prey side

"Vore is fun" -several people are typing-

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4:18 pm

We hear you

"several people" mostly seem to agree though xp

Dragons being into vore is a stereotype... but it's largely an accurate stereotype

Glad I am not the only one who started a war in my past life.

limio(they/she) (🏳🌈 voilo)

Glad I am not the only one who started a war in my past life.

Mood. I was a mercenary in one of my non-dragon lives and wiped out a couple civilizations

oh glad to know vore is a common dragon thing lmao it's one of those ones i'm always embarrassed to mention

cronchy

oh glad to know vore is a common dragon thing lmao it's one of those ones i'm always embarrassed to mention

Fortunately I'm incapable of shame

Some important context about what unwanted intrusive thoughts mean. Psychologists used to believe that unwanted intrusive thoughts meant you really meant to do the thing, deep down. That turns out not to be true. Now they've collected more information over the decades, they've figured out that for most people, unwanted intrusive thoughts are usually the opposite of what you really want. For example, it's only very religious people who get distressing intrusive thoughts about blasphemy. Getting scared or upset by a thought makes the thought stick around and come back more. It's like how trying not to think of a pink elephant will make you think of one for sure.

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Nothing wrong with starting a war now and then

4:21 pm

Dark was the point of this panel. Thank you for getting up there and sharing.

Yes! Thank you! ^.=.^

#vore-nest when

poll time xD

in dragonkin communities, i'm the one weirdo who's not into vore

I swear I am the only dragon that isn't obsessed with vore. And thanks... I don't share that for many reasons (edited)

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At this point I have accepted that people will hate me whatever I do so at this point I am just open about being into the kinks I am into.

sh; So I have zero shame anymore (edited)

cynderofblackscales

I swear I am the only dragon that isn't obsessed with vore. And thanks... I don't share that for many reasons (edited)

Thank you. Now we can all talk about starting wars

The rare dragonslayer dragon

I invaded a few places that were the victims...

I wish I can remember more of my past self. I only have little bits and pieces.

DoveWithScales

Fortunately I'm incapable of shame

I'm not into vore on a sexual level, but the feeling and though of just eating something is something that is kind of satisfactory

4:24 pm

ah sry for the quote, didn't mean to

No worries, I enjoyed this panel even though it's quite short.

I want to know more of my past but I am also afraid of what I'll find,

Oh yeah I definitely swallowed prey whole. But they were usually dead, which isn't as sexy

4:24 pm

Hot

Yeah, I'm with cynderofblackscales. Maybe I might discover something unpleasant

This is giving me inspiration to make a "common kinks in the draconian community" panel next draconic summit.

Arycas Limio (🏳🌈 voilo)

This is giving me inspiration to make a "common kinks in the draconian community" panel next draconic summit.

I was just thinking that

4:25 pm

I also have trouble with intrusive thoughts. But then I also separately have daydreams about murder and sadism

I want to share some dark things but it's a bit difficult to get the words out, (also thanks to social anxiety), so would it be okay if I just typed it instead? I know It's kinda boring though xc

What are intrusive thoughts? Can you give an example?

Note to self: Get with @voilo about maybe doing a panel next year...

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

I want to share some dark things but it's a bit difficult to get the words out, (also thanks to social anxiety), so would it be okay if I just typed it instead? I know It's kinda boring though xc

If you write it, it could be read. We'd love to hear your experiences

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

I want to share some dark things but it's a bit difficult to get the words out, (also thanks to social anxiety), so would it be okay if I just typed it instead? I know It's kinda boring though xc

Please do

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

I want to share some dark things but it's a bit difficult to get the words out, (also thanks to social anxiety), so would it be okay if I just typed it instead? I know It's kinda boring though xc

Yes please

alright! it'll just be a moment c:

I'd love to make a panel with you.

Dove ↩️

Reply to: Note to self: Get with @voilo about maybe doing a panel next year...

I had to think about intrusive thoughts for a minute, but I think I also have some.. mainly connected to the behavior or appearance of humans tbh.

It definitely sounds clearer today, hope you're feeling better

I would love to listen to the Elitism Panel. I missed that one.

I believe we have someone typing what they would say on stage

I have intrusive thoughts sometimes about harming animals and people I care about, which is deeply unsettling. They're a product of anxiety mostly. I want to hurt people who piss me off. Since high school I stopped caring about the opinions of people who harassed me because why would I care what the prey thinks of me? I wouldn't be upset if a hamburger hated me.

4:30 pm

I'm not gonna get up on stage either cause I have nothing planned. I just have a lot of thoughts

4:31 pm

Ham is good

4:31 pm

Long pork is also good :p

Ugh that is certainly a thing I had before. I don't want to hurt a pet, but sometimes I get "what if I cook my pet" and I am like "why the hell am I thinking this.

"Long pork" is a euphemism for human

Oh daaaaamn yes

DoveWithScales

"Long pork" is a euphemism for human

Doppel

Ugh that is certainly a thing I had before. I don't want to hurt a pet, but sometimes I get "what if I cook my pet" and I am like "why the hell am I thinking this.

Yeah, like that. It pops into your head and just causes disgust and anxiety. It's important to remember that those don't say anything about who you are as a person

To be clear I never have hurt any of my pets.

that is an objectively good name for a pet snake (edited)

Snoot is such a good name! Tell Snoot I love him!

I kinda want to say something in vc but I have a speech impediment and a pretty heavy accent so if anyone can't understand me, please lmk and I will type it out as well.

I used to raise rats. I'm so sorry your humans gave you shit about rodents

When I think about my life before this one, when I was a dragon, I never really remember being aggressive or being involved in any horrible violence. However, it's only at the end of my life where I have memories of anger. It always makes me feel incredibly uneasy and emotional as it honestly scares me quite a bit. I was so full of despair and rage at the end of my life that dealing with the memories of them upset me to this day. I didn't think I was capable of that. I'm so glad I can't feel the full force of those old emotions but knowing that I was capable of such unfiltered rage makes me wonder who i really was. Maybe I was peaceful and kind for the majority, I suppose it doesn't matter. I wish talking about dark things was a lot more normal in alterhuman spaces. I feel alone with this and trying to share in the past has just gotten me ignored heh. Idk, it's all complicated and dark so I don't really blame anyone anyways pfft

Spanish ham? Jamon Serrano? Yeah.. we also got that in Germany.

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

When I think about my life before this one, when I was a dragon, I never really remember being aggressive or being involved in any horrible violence. However, it's only at the end of my life where I have memories of anger. It always makes me feel incredibly uneasy and emotional as it honestly scares me quite a bit. I was so full of despair and rage at the end of my life that dealing with the memories of them upset me to this day. I didn't think I was capable of that. I'm so glad I can't feel the full force of those old emotions but knowing that I was capable of such unfiltered rage makes me wonder who i really was. Maybe I was peaceful and kind for the majority, I suppose it doesn't matter. I wish talking about dark things was a lot more normal in alterhuman spaces. I feel alone with this and trying to share in the past has just gotten me ignored heh. Idk, it's all complicated and dark so I don't really blame anyone anyways pfft

I wish it was talked about more too. It's hard having a kintype where you wonder what were you thinking and are afraid of having such a thing inside of you. I have been told I am kind and compassionate and I am a good person but I also deal with dreams and memories where I am decidedly not. And could have certainly used the help when my awakening began

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Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

When I think about my life before this one, when I was a dragon, I never really remember being aggressive or being involved in any horrible violence. However, it's only at the end of my life where I have memories of anger. It always makes me feel incredibly uneasy and emotional as it honestly scares me quite a bit. I was so full of despair and rage at the end of my life that dealing with the memories of them upset me to this day. I didn't think I was capable of that. I'm so glad I can't feel the full force of those old emotions but knowing that I was capable of such unfiltered rage makes me wonder who i really was. Maybe I was peaceful and kind for the majority, I suppose it doesn't matter. I wish talking about dark things was a lot more normal in alterhuman spaces. I feel alone with this and trying to share in the past has just gotten me ignored heh. Idk, it's all complicated and dark so I don't really blame anyone anyways pfft

I need to finish and publish the thing I'm writing about this kind of stuff in an effort to normalize talking about it publicly

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

When I think about my life before this one, when I was a dragon, I never really remember being aggressive or being involved in any horrible violence. However, it's only at the end of my life where I have memories of anger. It always makes me feel incredibly uneasy and emotional as it honestly scares me quite a bit. I was so full of despair and rage at the end of my life that dealing with the memories of them upset me to this day. I didn't think I was capable of that. I'm so glad I can't feel the full force of those old emotions but knowing that I was capable of such unfiltered rage makes me wonder who i really was. Maybe I was peaceful and kind for the majority, I suppose it doesn't matter. I wish talking about dark things was a lot more normal in alterhuman spaces. I feel alone with this and trying to share in the past has just gotten me ignored heh. Idk, it's all complicated and dark so I don't really blame anyone anyways pfft

I think talking about dark stuff would be more widely be received if it is in an environment receptive to dark stuff just like this panel. I find that people don't want to bring it up or interact with it if it is outside of such spaces.

We need to create more such spaces then

yes normalize talking about dark stuff! I only really share in mature channels or more kin-serious channels

My dragon past. I studied, I told stories to visitors in my cave. I helped my little village when I could. Had a great mate, I loved. And then I started a war. Which overshadows my entire past.

yeah we should have more spaces and events where it is not only acceptable but sometimes expected to talk about! /pos (edited)

Haggis is quite hearty! I like it.

I think it would do a lot of people good to be able to talk about these things openly without having to fear that there will be direct judgment.

Its not about the quantity of the spaces. It's about keeping it healthy. Too much emotionally heavy stuff and people just burn out and leave or have a breakdown.

There's that too

The Celestial Spire is a great place. I'll have to remember to post a link to this piece I'm writing

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I very rarely share anymore because there is no one to listen really. It's not okay to force anyone to listen and be there to support me, it's just a direct result for why I don't share about dark things relating to my draconity and in turn, makes me feel very alone with these feelings.

No worries Lunastere, you did good.

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I spoke today because we were talking about the darker side of draconity and I got to experince being a typical dragon in my culture, of razing villages and clashing with other dragons. I would not speak in any place that doesn't openly invite it like this

I didn't notice you had a speech impediment tbh, but I heavily relate to feeling self conscious about it.

4:43 pm

I never really noticed mine until a psychiatrist pointed it out to me and now I am very bothered by it.

Don’t worry, you got this! And it’s been a great con! Now I’m curious about the idea of trauma from draconic experiences…

I needed speech therapy because I couldn't speak my first language when I was in elementary school. I require alot of focus to not slur words. 100% not a problem to have a speech impediment

that same psychiatrist also told me I made uncomfortable eye contact so now I am scared to make eye contact at all. Overal great psychiatrist /s.

TheMeatloafIsMine

Don’t worry, you got this! And it’s been a great con! Now I’m curious about the idea of trauma from draconic experiences…

I would definitely do a panel on that one day. I thought about it after othercon. Just doesn't feel right though running a pannel while I'm still in the middle of my awakening

thank you for hosting!