Draconic Summit Autumn 2022 - panel-discussion-1

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(•Luunaathh’sstrreiii•) pinned a message to this channel. 26/10/2022 4:24 pm

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3:22 pm

Halloween weekend let's goooo

Weeeeee

So excited!

It's great to be here!

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wooooo con timeeeee!!!

Yeah!!!

nice

The opening ceremonies are at a close now! I hope you all have a wonderful weekend!! ^^

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Haha, now I missed the opening 'cause I thought it'd start one hour later

Apologies! ;;

3:28 pm

There wasn’t that much to be said in the opening ceremonies anyways, other than describing the events in the server and myself thanking everyone for attending!

I knew I was gonna miss the opening ceremonies regardless but I'm still excited!!!

nyeheheh first!

Hi I'm at work but I might chime in a few times

~~don't mind me being immature, i'm just excited xD~~

No worries! You’re good!

5:58 pm

I’ll start in two minutes, I’m just pulling up my script!

Dragon time s o o n

Wooooooo

I'm still at work so I'll sadly miss this one. Have fun y'all!

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6:05 pm

next year I'm taking the summit days off

It is being recorded

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Ooh that explains it

We doing it too

6:11 pm

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We love that show!

it might be worth to ask for everyone that wants to share on stage, what is something interesting about your kinself or your people/species? I'm really curious to know!

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You're doing fine!

You are heard!

6:16 pm

bruh that's so cool

blep blep blep blep blep blep

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it's so complicated you can't pronounce the language? what if we hire this guy to pronounce it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxO0UdpoxM

Channel 4 News

Liam Dutton nails pronouncing Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobw...

6:23 pm

Lunastre, you mentioned that you're dead and alive at the same time at home? I wonder how that works?

in german we glue words together to make longer words

It is very cool how dragons are so diverse.

Hm.. interesting.

I mean what is "life" anyway ?

it reminds me of how viruses aren't dead or alive either

spirits are spirits, in between life and death

A heartbeat ? Consciouss ? a body ?

My draconity is the polar opposite of spiritual.

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

it reminds me of how viruses aren't dead or alive either

fire isn't alive but it isn't quite dead either, right?

I think you could say that about all the elements!

tbh thanks for saying that because i sometimes feel left out of conversations about, like, spiritual experiences & such relating to draconity, being more toward psychological myself

it is an interesting thought tbh

i have a similar view, my own psychological and spiritual stuff are very much the same

I'm in the same boat on my identity being both, I attribute it to a spiritual standpoint but I think the fact that I view it as my identity in the first place is entirely psychological

6:31 pm

am dergin

6:31 pm

dragon brain swind_raa

disgostang (edited)

Same here. Tbf, journeys and experiences are always complex and educational. Plus it gives us more insight into the struggles we are trying to better. Has your complex experiences helped you in anyway regardless of how easy you wish it would of been?

The serotonin I get every day since I live openly as a dragon swind_melt

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ye ye

Fair, dysmorphia is hard. Esp as a kin. TwT

Oh my ancestors same Khéna!

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oh i feel that, esp when i was new at witchcraft i was obsessed with 'finding messages' to an unhealthy degree

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thanks!

-debating on sharing some stuff about the dragons in our system, but shy- dragnmlem

Umber Brown | Vatrith [HoC]

-debating on sharing some stuff about the dragons in our system, but shy- dragnmlem

oof sorry for shaky voice, i has social anxiety qwq (edited)

You're fine!

You did a great job!

thankies qwq

I wonder if anyone uses Draconic (witchcraft path) to also work alongside their experiences?

meeee, or at least i did for a while

i do!!

I've been struggling to combine my Norse Pagan beliefs with my dragon identity

i guess i still do, i was in contact with a dragoness for a while and she kind of left when i became more experienced, no idea if shes still around lol (edited)

Yes, hearing everyone talk about their experiences is wonderful! Thank-you everyone who has shared in voice or in chat. dragnowo

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CandyCanine

I wonder if anyone uses Draconic (witchcraft path) to also work alongside their experiences?

ive seen some in the community who do!

Hi guys just wanted to ask if anyone here does 'pop culture pagan' things too? I can't hear responses but I thought I'd chime in haha Bye for now

I feel like the draconic path doesn't fit to how I see myself as a dragon. Some things are just too strict for me

These experiences are all so interesting. x3 I myself have been studying Norse Pagan and was wondering about the pathway. Its awesome that everyone is connecting multiple aspects of their beliefs to do so. And the dragoness is very curious, I wonder what she was like. -- That is awesome! x3 How have you been incorporating it? Sorry if you already answered, im a bit slow. ;w;

theres draconic and then draconian magic, i think theyre different

yes! though to be honest, there are not a lot of sources on it. I mostly just learn from my guardian and reference the books where it feels right.

You're fine. ^^

when i was into it its pretty hard to find information so i winged it tbh (edited)

khiove

theres draconic and then draconian magic, i think theyre different

they are different, yes!

haha winged it /lh

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lol I have issues with draconic magic if only because a lot of people seem to believe dragons come from an angelic realm and that makes me go hmm

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ohhh yeah, the whole elemental royal dragons or something, it never really resonated with me

huh, I haven't seen much of that in the draconic path specific content but a lot of dragon magick stuff has a lot of heaven and angel stuff linked to it, which is w e i r d (edited)

It's so strange, like cool if you met those types of dragons but I'm not???? I ain't from no angelic realm XDDDD

What does bean mean ?

Bohne

KinDD ↩️

Reply to: What does bean mean ?

ah ok thank! Aaaahhh!

In our world, we lived in a sand hive with multiple different individuals, lifestyles, and cultures. I know I'm not angelic, we just lived together learning and some others alone or just in a family group. I never knew many saw it as angelic.

Hence "toe beans"

yeah, I find it strange. One of my books put dragons in a few boxes and then say that they reside in all of the multiverse so it's weird to me that dragons have to be only these things but they exist in an infinite amount of places. like huh... no diversity???

I'll talk about my experiences in tomorrow's panel all over, so I'd rather not spoiler myself, haha

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yeah! you can tell a lot of those guides were not written by dragons lol

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Alrighty I'm gonna grab a bite before my art stream

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That's fair! I'm excited for your stream!

I come from the underworld and I know a dragon from the Du’at (Ancient Egyptian) but I know tons of fictionkin and dragons who are animals I don’t understand the whole heavenly dragon things.

the books i read has the author claim to have written these closely with dragons but the dragons i work with have often told me some of the things in there aren't accurate xD

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I have! thank you for the opportunity to share c:

Great great great first Panel!

It would be so cool to have a bunch of dragonkins come together to share different types in a magazine or log of sorts. x3 That way there is a large resource by actual draconic.

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the dragon times lolol (edited)

let's make a zine

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Y E S

Yeah, thanks for sharing everybody!

one day

Subscribe to the latest issue of RAWR Monthly!

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I would love a dragonkin magazine

yes its been super fun !!

i'll do art for it

xD

I vote for RAWR monthly.

dergazine

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I would love to share in a zine, a bit too shy to talk about some things in a chat format myself

RAWR MONTHLY bongodino

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same here. i tried though xD

Omg, pleassee a vote on the name would be so fun. xD This panel is awesome, thank you

Next year's con project

YES

DERG: Dragon Experiences ??? Gazette

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you also need to do your artist's table ;p

I’m holding you to it

RAWR monthly 2023!

HouseofChimeras

DERG: Dragon Experiences ??? Gazette

dragon experiences retold?

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Keksdrache

dergazine

i like this one

HouseofChimeras

DERG: Dragon Experiences ??? Gazette

Riveting? Roaring, Resounding

Keksdrache

dragon experiences retold?

DERG: Dragon Experiences Retold Gazette

~~Playderg~~

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RAWR Monthly bluedragon

DERG: Dragon Experiences pinkdragon

Dergazine

Dragon experiences retold purpdragon

React to vote (edited)

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So many cool ideas!

we need a ror page

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thank you for hosting it! (edited)

Too many ideas? make several dragon zines? dragnthinkflare

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Excitement.

:clapclap:

Thanks for the panel, was interesting!

Thank you!

Thank y'all! See ya!

Thanks for the panel!

see yall !!

Where's Roarar's art stream being held?

mlems I was actually nervous before doing this, hopefully my speech issues didn't effect the panel too much!

6:51 pm

The VC channel here in the panel category!

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You did a great job, Luunaa!

It was great!

#Voice Presentations

6:52 pm

Thankie!

You did totally fine.. it was so cool to hear you speaking these complicated names! I was surprised at how fluid they sound!

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Now to go check on my recording and hope it actually recorded the sound for this panel

Claws crossed

Amber

You did totally fine.. it was so cool to hear you speaking these complicated names! I was surprised at how fluid they sound!

Thank you! I definitely botched them a bit XD

You did great! Definitely a good way to kick off the con

I appreciate it, thank you! ^.=.^

I'll be starting uo in a bit I just wanna get some things ready

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Alrighty! Take your time!

Aw man! This sucks I missed the panel. Really hoping for a recording. :3

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I was doing some stuff IRL

Fucc, my damn recorder didn’t record the sound ;;W;;

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Really sorry to hear that.

Our is good --only thing is we ourselves are quiet, but understandable

6:58 pm

obs just doesn't like our mic in particular ig

Ah, thank you all for recording the panel! It’s much appreciated!! sadblep

Can you send me the file? I might try to run a Compressor on it to equalize the voices.

(•Luunaathh’sstrreiii•)

Ah, thank you all for recording the panel! It’s much appreciated!! sadblep

Of course! Later we'll compile them together and get them to you

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Greetings

Whooop whooop

the juice dragon

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DoveWithScales

Greetings

Hi sis. Glad you could make it

It's so cute

No worries. I'm sorry you feel ill

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People trying to define others beliefs set back my awakening years (edited)

Bonjour

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no worries, luunaa dragnheart

It's alright, take your time!

If anybody wants to talk shit about you, Luunaa, I will personally kick their ass. You belong here.

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But different experiences are good and there are so many reasons many others exist outside of what is considered typical by some. Im surprised about the gatekeeping, you are doing awesome and should be accepted.v :<

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We support you. Thank you for saying all this. It desperately needs to be said

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Exactly! Thanks for putting words to this

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Your voice sounds cool, Luunaa.

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Hey, don't worry about the delay. It's all good. This was actually a better time for me.

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I would not even be a member of the community and likely have been against the community if it wasn’t for my friendship with @DoveWithScales

i am relatively new to these spaces and haven't seen any elitism like you described, is there some sort of resource that holds receipts or something? not that i don't believe you, i would just like to make my own judgement as well

did i miss much?

May I say something on stage?

Keksdrache

i am relatively new to these spaces and haven't seen any elitism like you described, is there some sort of resource that holds receipts or something? not that i don't believe you, i would just like to make my own judgement as well

It exists, I've encountered some

dms should be open

Hang on.. it seems I can't unmute..

i mean mine

Now we hear you!

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

did i miss much?

We was just discussing Elitism in the community causing toxic gatekeeping on different individuals. To which others are trying to advocate against. You didn't miss much. :3

I don't think I have receipts readily available unfortunately. Probably cause it would be just too absurd for anyone to target me with that specific kind of bullshit. But I've definitely witnessed it happen to others

CandyCanine

We was just discussing Elitism in the community causing toxic gatekeeping on different individuals. To which others are trying to advocate against. You didn't miss much. :3

thanks for bringing me up to speed! c:

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As Amber is currently pointing out though, I have been targeted with gatekeeping in the pagan community as a trans woman of color

Excellent points, Amber

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Well said, Amber. Thank you

Im having hard time processing without subtitles

What did Amber say earlier?

most of the dragon elitism i've personally seen usually has dragons claiming to be superior to other species, most of the time being humans but also other animals and the such. it's terrifying tbh.

We aren’t really too comfortable coming up in vc (curse our social anxiety!!) but we have some stuff to say about our experiences. It took us a long time to accept ourself as draconic since our identity largely comes from being kin with a character who can shapeshift into a dragon-like form (well, it’s more of a drake, but whatever). We haven’t been in the community for long (just a little over a year), but we have seen the gatekeeping and were really worried about being accused of misusing terminology, especially with some of the anti-fictionkin sentiments we’ve seen. We really only started using the draconic label after Othercon this year, since some of the discussions there really helped us be more comfortable as our skeletal self.

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Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

most of the dragon elitism i've personally seen usually has dragons claiming to be superior to other species, most of the time being humans but also other animals and the such. it's terrifying tbh.

some dragons do have a tendency toward grandiosity, i've seen, not really surprising they'd apply it to that

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

most of the dragon elitism i've personally seen usually has dragons claiming to be superior to other species, most of the time being humans but also other animals and the such. it's terrifying tbh.

Yeah that's sure as fuck an issue. It's annoying. As Luunaa's saying, I absolutely believe all life forms are equal

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I as a new dragonkin to the community a year ago was welcomed into one of those bubbles. And when I left I suffered harassment and my name being slandered. That was back in 2017/2018. It’s almost 2023 and I still try to pretend I am not dragonkin and am still questioning after years. (edited)

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Aww bugger, give me a sec

i personally believe that dragons are indeed noble beasts. but many other animals are also called noble so

These panels are being recorded, right?

Nightmare (They/It/Pup)

We aren’t really too comfortable coming up in vc (curse our social anxiety!!) but we have some stuff to say about our experiences. It took us a long time to accept ourself as draconic since our identity largely comes from being kin with a character who can shapeshift into a dragon-like form (well, it’s more of a drake, but whatever). We haven’t been in the community for long (just a little over a year), but we have seen the gatekeeping and were really worried about being accused of misusing terminology, especially with some of the anti-fictionkin sentiments we’ve seen. We really only started using the draconic label after Othercon this year, since some of the discussions there really helped us be more comfortable as our skeletal self.

Drakes are still dragons. All are welcomed.

It is important to warn people especially younger people away from those bubbles

Alas, I'll just type it lol

I mean, you can still be proud of what you are without being an elitist..

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Also thanks y’all for the hugs

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Is there Elitism in newer circles or more in older circles? I've seen both but how can we avoid the newer people carrying on older toxic aspects of our community? And how do we influence change? (edited)

We think one of the best ways to combat it is education and visibility. It's one of the reasons we personally like to share our experiences because we have odd dragon-types and linktypes and we want others to know there's nothing wrong with that

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As mentioned above, I think there's a lot of elitism, at least in the western dragon community, targeted toward those who don't fit the classic four-leg, two-wing body plan

Amber

I mean, you can still be proud of what you are without being an elitist..

YES! The caterpillar is my equal, and so is the human and the cow. ~~Which is why they're all edible~~

What always puts me off is that I have pointed out our "superiority" as being nonexistent to someone who claimed we dragons are above others and they answered something along the line of "oh you know what I mean though, you're a dragon." No, I don't know what you mean. dragnsweats

caterpillars are like the embodiment of potential that's metal af

Yeah, this whole "being superior to other lifeforms" is just what I hate about humanity

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the bigger you are, the harder you fall

Kiera Ember {it/its}

As mentioned above, I think there's a lot of elitism, at least in the western dragon community, targeted toward those who don't fit the classic four-leg, two-wing body plan

I hate that shit. The way to identify a dragon is to ask if it's a dragon. Unless it can't talk, in which case... still you get the gist

A real supreme being - in my opinion - doesn't need to point down on others and degrade them. If there is one truth in the world, then that every being has its space and its necessity and no one is better or worse then another

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I love when the community shares information more than focusing on superiority. Its nice when they write on scrolls, share experiences from their kins, accepting fictionkins, and in general being equals.

We can hear you!

Mic good!

Would it still fall under this if it's the nature of one's draconity that one is elitist about? By which I mean, I've seen some talking about how psychological dragonkin are inherently less valid than the spiritual variety & all

I wonder if the general draconic superiority over other identities stems a bit from the sheer size of the dragonkin community as well

7:21 pm

More members implies more validity, or something akin to that :/

It actually took me a decade to accept myself as dragon because there was such a push when I first got here claiming that everyone wants to be a dragon cause they're cool and accusing everyone of making it up

@Nightmare (They/It/Pup) Experienced that too. You’re very right

Xylanth

Would it still fall under this if it's the nature of one's draconity that one is elitist about? By which I mean, I've seen some talking about how psychological dragonkin are inherently less valid than the spiritual variety & all

We think it'd fit the bill of dragonkin elitism

Oh gosh, this is reminding me of communities gatekeeping animals that was common in kintypes. (Ex.Foxes, Dragons (claiming it to be a power high) etc)

Xylanth

Would it still fall under this if it's the nature of one's draconity that one is elitist about? By which I mean, I've seen some talking about how psychological dragonkin are inherently less valid than the spiritual variety & all

Absolutely. Psych kin are welcome. I do not care why you're a dragon. You're a dragon

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"elitists like to no thoughts head empty"

I've also noticed that a lot of them tend to also be ableist.

Yes,

Yep

I've stopped looking for new spaces especially because of that issue

Thank the gods we have this group and your servers

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i tend to lean toward psychological myself, and, when i first went in to the community, i didn't talk about that much 'cause of fear of being labeled as, like, an RPer or illegitimate for not being as spiritual as many in the community

Yes. Us having a hard time interacting in large groups definitely doesn’t help either xd

Luunaa you're awesome and I appreciate you so much for creating all this.

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We don't try a lot of new servers, always worried about it so we mostly stick to small friend ones or our tumblr

7:25 pm

We mostly just crawl out of our den to attend cool events like this one

Same here; we just say we’re a mix of both as well

Well I only know Kinmunity, Otherconnect, Alt+H and the servers run by Lunastre.. never had much of a problem with elitism there.

Those communities are cool too

you sound fine, luunaa catheart

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i've also seen some servers with a lot of members who are super anti-fictionkin, and, like, i'm not fictionkin myself, but it's still disappointing to see

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What advice do you have to others looking to making their own spaces?

I was afraid of being a fictionkin once bc of the hate

Im not but that was when I was questioning. Now its hard bc of another questioning kintype.

One day I’ll talk about my experiences in detail and how I went from a young dragonkin to a questioning otherkin many years later. But I’m shy and still learning who I am.

Take your time! ❤️

7:28 pm

Aren't we all lmao

The anti-fictionkin stuff is why we’ve had such a hard time accepting ourself. It’s taken over a year to really be somewhat comfortable, and even then we still have a ways to go

It's the 18+ panel at 3pm

Yep! I'll be on time!

I'd like to say something, but i'm using a voice changer that has a 30 second delay because i'm a bit shy to use my real voice

Nightmare (They/It/Pup)

The anti-fictionkin stuff is why we’ve had such a hard time accepting ourself. It’s taken over a year to really be somewhat comfortable, and even then we still have a ways to go

Yep, anti-fictionkin mentality is really tough to deal with, and still pretty darn rampant

dragon elitism always confuses me. No matter whether or not you believe dragons to exist, it's easy to see that there are a wide array of beliefs and interpretations of dragons all over the world. To claim that dragons can only be one thing is to decide that every other interpretation is wrong. You'd have to fit every single elitist's personal beliefs to be valid and that is literally impossible.

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I feel like I've definitely experienced anti fictionkin+dragonkin servers but in the way of... Simply not listening? . Anyone else experienced this as well? It seems to overlap with weirdness towards people who are against having done Hurtful or 'villainous' things as their kintype (the past life focused wording is based off my experiences)

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We know ourselves way better than some rando online

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I really appreciate you all chatting about this because I, 1) am a pretty typical western dragon so I'm not aware of a lot of the struggles others face, and 2) it's extremely clear this is an issue that's impacting the community tangibly

Exactly! We should be supporting one another, not finding reasons to turn our teeth on one another

"I respect others but"

Yeah

YUP

If you think someone's misguided about their beliefs, keep it to yourself.

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Hi Spike!

spikiplier :0

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~~i have a fluttershy kintype~~

That's fine, the voice is working fine on our end!

Would Elitism and harm toward others who are different be as tangible as those excluding LGBT individuals or people who are less accepted in communities experiences? And would this qualify as discrimination or no? /gen I dont mean any harm Im just curious

Spike you know if anybody tries to push you out while I'm here, they're dinner

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bite bite bite

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catch these croc jaws, elitists!

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They’ll get a Gaster blaster to the face :>c

yeah friends are important

Well to be honest I'm pretty used to being excluded... I've been "different" since I was a child. I don't even mind much. Still it's an awful thing. Idk why people do it.

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I feel as if I'd like to talk about my experiences though it's a bit... Roundabout. Unsure if it's on topic.

What about dragonkin who aren't exclusively based on western- based mythology or wider knowledge?

I cannot say how much I value the views here and how proud it makes me to be part of this community

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When I joined my first dragonkin server on discord I was very insecure about being faked claimed and I thought maybe I was overreacting but someone told me they were glad I was considering my horns and claws not actually being made out of gold cause that 1. wouldn't make sense and 2. would be a red flag if I claimed that. It's frustrating how common this is.

The thing that really gets me is that the term "dragon" encompasses SO MUCH, and for people to say "ah, you don't count as a dragon" really is mind-boggling

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Same for us here, we go through quite the differences that we was always excluded or targeted by authorities as a child up. We do feel our experiences of treatment in communities; from here to disabilities to minorities, are connected in how we feel. Depressed and alone.

Oh I feel that.

Khéna (ze/zim/zir) ↩️

Reply to: When I joined my first dragonkin server on discord I was very insecure about being faked claimed and…

it's also not their business

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Mhm.

dragon's wax.... wonder where that comes from /lh

DERGNESS

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it would be different if someone asked for outside feedback but most of the time it's just unsolicited "advice" (more like judgement veiled as helpfulness)

New favorite word acquired

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'grilling'

To elitism being I can just quote Nova's lines: Don’t care you think it’s cringe Because it’s not your life

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Is this when we start talking about grilling?

That .

Ino_Spirit (Vergil) ↩️

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I still avoid mentioning what I actually know about my kintype with others. Sometimes even friends because I’m concerned of the reaction

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KinDD

To elitism being I can just quote Nova's lines: Don’t care you think it’s cringe Because it’s not your life

omg we forgot that was our tagline, but it's true!

i like grilling mean people with my fire breath xp

As a dragon who isn’t really any sort of existing cultural idea (we’re a skeleton shapeshifter lol), excluding folks that aren’t a “normal” or well-known type of dragon is something we’ve worried about facing a lot, and is a stupid concept in general

is grilling essentially ganging up on someone?

I first experienced grilling in 2008-2009 we were introduced to kin that way We got so confused after that.... I think it's terrible

ugh that's gross behavior

dergpiling

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the only dergpiling i like is the cuddle kind

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i want dergpiling to be a positive thing tho!! curl

Grilling can be done in a respectful way.. which can be very useful imo. But yes, it's been done wrong more than often.

how about a dergpile of gold? a hoard?

dino in the derg pile!

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We've definitely seen the ganging up and grilling in introductions in certain communities

"Our horns are too big" - ah, yes, too horny for the dergpile

wait wait i need to find a thing i drew--

If memory serves, I recall more than one of the old message boards having an entire category for grilling people which everyone was expected to participate in

We wanna dergpile now XD Might poke some folks with our bones, but they shouldn’t be too sharp

DoveWithScales

If memory serves, I recall more than one of the old message boards having an entire category for grilling people which everyone was expected to participate in

That’s disgusting

NOBODY EXPECTS THE DERGISH INQUISITION

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It's the worst! No one needs that done to them, but especially not new questioning peeps

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7:43 pm

With consent it's a totally different thing

I tried joining a therian forum but got ganged up on and S baited for being a dragonkin (2013) before being banned from the site altogether. I was apparently "invading" despite being a new person in the community and I didn't know what I was doing. They accused me of a lot and assumed the worse out of me, along with calling me crazy. To this day, forums spike my social anxiety :/

Khéna (ze/zim/zir)

is grilling essentially ganging up on someone?

Not really.. it's rather critically, but respectfully questioning the identity of others. Which needs much carefulness and can quickly derail into trying to invalidate them. That's not what it should be about.

Yeah that happened to us actually I remember stuff like that

Dove ↩️

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Basking party!

the original caption was "Reptiles Being Warm" (edited)

back in ye olde days there was a larger amount of people that were there to just harass forum users and fake being kin to stir up shit so (NOT DEFENDING IT) that's the reason why it happened so frequently

River Ransom

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I recognize at least half the dergs in this pic

I'd love to chat but anxiety haha

yee, it's a basking lamp! (edited)

Go for it

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I could use a heating lamp

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left to right-- Jasper, alolan marowak Rani Ilrak, raven on Ryuu's horn Ryuu Me

TwT

it's really cute qwq

Kind of hard to keep a forum active if you chase all the new otherkin/therians away or force them to participate in toxicity

River Ransom

left to right-- Jasper, alolan marowak Rani Ilrak, raven on Ryuu's horn Ryuu Me

Somehow i didn't notice the birb there at first

my favorite type of grilling is BBQ

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Oh same! Unfortunately

I do notice the older forums had restrictions based on and acting elitist. I was glad when new channels and forums popped up and grilling started to drop more. It was so common back then. Surprised I forgot lol (edited)

We hear you

River Ransom

left to right-- Jasper, alolan marowak Rani Ilrak, raven on Ryuu's horn Ryuu Me

and, for a sec, i thought Jasper was Page at first in that pic ><

I'll just sunbathe

We’re on TikTok some, and we’ve seen some things that could probably count as grilling there. Therians fakeclaiming each other or saying they don’t really understand what being a therian is, and similar stuff.

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asdfasdf

oh no

We can tell where this is going

oof

F those guys you didn't deserve that

hmmmm

as someone who's done a deep dive into our history, gods, i can absolutely tell when alterhumans havent read about our history. there so many wolves lol it's okay, totally normal! /g

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Nightmare (They/It/Pup)

We’re on TikTok some, and we’ve seen some things that could probably count as grilling there. Therians fakeclaiming each other or saying they don’t really understand what being a therian is, and similar stuff.

at the same time.. there are now people out there attention grabbing normies by saying outlandish things on ^ specifically tiktok ^ to normal people about being otherkin. :/ which uhhh isn't good for them and isn't good for kin in general. I can only see community start to snap at people when they come accross even well meaning 'kin and start this nasty behavior of trying to find the "real kin"