Draconic Summit Spring 2023 - panel-discussion-1

We'll be using this panel discussion channel for the draconic discussion panel today!

Excellent

@KeystoneDarkJade No idea why you're at the Voice Presentations, but just to let you know (since you don't use discord often) you should be going to Stage Presentations if you're waiting for the event.

We told them to head there--we don't seem to have stages for this event and the voice presentations are here for panels

Oooh okie

I'm going to see if I can actually record this panel, though knowing how bad my recording software is I'm not hoping for the best results ;;

I'll get my laptop out and record it (edited)

I can record it too, I already have everything set up. No audio for this one, right?

I'm just muting for right now so my keyboard clacking isn't heard by everyone ;;

4:57 pm

Though yes, there will be audio for this panel

We'll have our obs going too, we're guarnteed to have a good recording between the three of us

yep

Yess, we hear you.

I can't seem to find any of the stages, for some reason only the VCs are coming up for me.

Oh hecc really? One second

There's stages?

5:00 pm

We only saw the normal voice ones too

Yeah, though it looks like we can't see them with the Guardian role.

Same here

It should work now

Aha!

Nice! We're in. if you're saying things though, we can't hear you.

I'm not getting audio either

Oh, I haven't spoken just yet

(Luunaathh)

Oh, I haven't spoken just yet

Lmk when you're ready to start and I'll start my recording.

Yeah, we can hear you!

>.> I can't hear anything.

Oh, I'm speaking!

I cannot hear you currently

We can't hear

Nothing over here either.

Can confirm, no audio

Okay, I'll probably have to start this panel over, oof

>me paranoid that my headphones might've disconnected again

Heard you at the beginning, but not now - Also would it be possible to reduce the panel discussion timeout, if you wrote something ? It is 30 seks currently ? Or should it be like that ?

I'll start this panel over again at 12:10 since we're having audio difficulties.

was getting Lunath here

My question is, is it the stage and roles or is it a technical issue.

We still have heard nothing here

It may be an issue with the permissions, I'll look

I thought I saw the thing blink though

You check perms, I'm going to hop onto the stage for a second and see if anyone can hear me to test out the channel itself.

yes

I can!

We can hear Page

I can hear you

we can hear you

yes

yeh

That is bizarre.

luunaath does your computer have a mic off button or something? cause mine does and it's separate from discord's mute thing

should be good this time around, looks like

yep

I still can't hear anything.

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Still can't hear her (edited)

Can't hear

Also nothing here

I don't know what's going on with the permissions... ugh

Tried rejoining with no luck. Hm...

Weeeiiird.

same

Disconnected and rejoined and still nothing

Discord being weird.

Would it be alright with everyone if I rescheduled this panel while I figure out the permissions?

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Sure. Also check if Windows has the microphone blocked. Check if your Windows Microphone Settings are blocking Microphone with these settings: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/turn-on-app-permissions-for-your-microphone-in-windows-10-94991183-f69d-b4cf-4679-c98ca45f577a (edited)

Turn on app permissions for your microphone in Windows 10 - Microso...

Learn how to give your Windows 10 PC to permission to access your microphone.

You're good. Tech problems happen.

I'm actually connected to the stage on my mobile device

prob not anything in Discord or Windows as a whole since some of us're getting her

Looking over the permissions, everything looks like it should be in order, so that doesn't seem to be the issue. Hmmm...

have you tried turning it off and back on? derpcatblep

What about trying to make a new stage? Maybe this one is just wonky for unknowable reasons

Mobile Device? Maybe the headset you may be using is wonky?

Have you been connected via phone at the beginning also or was that via PC ?

so, 13:00 or thereabouts to reconvene?

I'll go ahead and create a new stage

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Is there a limit to listeners when the server is not boosted? Because Discord mentiones, that at Lvl 2, Stages can have 150 viewers. Did we exceed the limit

The limit wasn’t exceeded, I checked

If you want to test the new stage right now, I'm already chilling in there.

Would be ridiculous if less than 20 people triggered the limit

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Alright, I’ll create the new stage here in a sec

welp, less then 720i streaming limit without boost also not state of the art, so was jsut a guess

omg the elevator music

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I enjoy that a great deal

It's amazing.

It just surprised us

Still cannot hear anything. dragntragedy

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^

Bleh, same

I actually think it may be my headset

not hearing anything yet if there is anything

Silly technology

it could be

and discord is set to the correct mic?

-shakes fist at technology- accursed magics!

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Okay yeah, it must be my stupid headset

still odd some of us could hear 1st go around

Yeah, I'm still wondering about that too.

Yeah... I'll see if something's up with my discord account

5:18 pm

I'm unmuted and trying to speak though no one is hearing anything, bleh

(Luunaathh)

I'm unmuted and trying to speak though no one is hearing anything, bleh

I'm going to mute myself, hop onto speaker, and see if I can hear you when I'm in the speaker seat with you.

Alrighty!

....still nothing. Goddamn.

it's so weird

Page, can you try saying something again?

Yup

We can hear you!

Yup

loud and clear

Yeah, I can hear you!

Yes !

Page is Audible

all works

Discord sucks for my being right now... ugh

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Doppel

Page is Audible

#notsponsored

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This is fucking baffling! I don't get it!

it's gotta be something the the device or personal settings then since it's not the stage itself

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Pyro, you still not getting?

It's all a bit noodly

I still can't hear anything, nope.

We still cannot hear anyone. x.x

You've probably checked, but have you disconnected and reconnected you audio device and maybe discord changed mic settings ?

HouseofChimeras

We still cannot hear anyone. x.x

You guys couldn't hear me when I was just on stage?

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Is Luunaathh audible to Page?

No, I can't hear her. :(

works fine here

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Okay now we can hear you. o.O

I'm connected on my computer now, I'm going to see if I can change the settings on my discord account

page has the green circle, luunaath doesn't

I'm hearing this now

The phone discord has a separate mic setting. Also check if your discord on the phone has priviledges to use the mic

aside from permissions or maybe some ppl perhaps somehow having Discord muted from being heard on their end is all I can come up with

Ugghhggghghgg I hate discord right now

(edited)

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Discord doesn't want us to have a Summit. Damn you discord-lords! dragnyell

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Can one of the other staff squad hope onto the stage and speak rq? Maybe I just don't have perms to hear people??? I don't know.

I can

We can't hear you

I also cannot hear you, wtf.

5:25 pm

I CAN HEAR YOU (edited)

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works!

yuppp

I heard you !

Now we do!

We heard that.

Bluefire

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Also, hello fellow Draconic Dutchie.

OK just to test permissions, how about accepting me to the stage to do a sound check? I have the least permissions of all?

Luunaathh, if you haven't might actually be worth restarting your computer/phone to see if there's a hardware issue

Akir'ischa

Also, hello fellow Draconic Dutchie.

Oh, Dutch dragons exist? :P Goeie avond, then. ^ ^

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And hopping into VC to see if we can hear you there.

Because then we know if it's a Stage issue or not.

5:28 pm

I CAN HEAR YOU

Yes!

Wait yes!!!

Yessss

yes

Yeah!

Whoooooooooo

HELLO THERE

finally :P (edited)

Whoop whoop!

See (hear) you all in a bit!

Huzzah for sorting out technical difficulties!

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what was it?

It was an issue on my end

"they" don't want us dragons conspiring together and overthrowing everything, pretty sure that's what it is... they fear our people gaining collective cohesion mwahahahahaha

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I'm going to make the stage again and test some things just so I know for sure that my audio difficulties won't affect the rest of the panel

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indeed, we'll be your willing guineadragons in the meanwhile

I'm trying to speak... hopefully my phone isn't being stupid

Can't hear you atm.

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Ugh, my phone must be acting up

Aw **** Here we Go again

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le grrrrrrrrrr as the Parisian ones would say

Alright, it seems to work better on my computer so I'll just go ahead and connect there

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Yesss

I can hear you!

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to quote IT Crowd: "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Yep!

With luck, it'll be smooth sailing from here.

By the way, my voice isn't cutting out at all right?

Sounds perfect over here.

sounding OK here, thankfully

We can hear you fine on this end.

Alright, that’s good to hear

I'll be back in a few so I can be here early to start the recording. Heads up that I'm gonna be recording the audio in tandem with the text conversation that goes on in this channel.

Alrighty!

you getting this burr and wet in your part, Lunath?

I muted myself so that's why you all can't hear anything from my being

Is all in order again?

Yep!

5:46 pm

~~hopefully wahhhh~~

Am back!

We can hear ya

Seconding that we can hear ya.

Is anything being said? Cause I can't

she's talking a bit yea... meeps some

There we go! I hear you now. 30 seconds on the timer though so I can't say so. Hope you don't have covid.

Covid sucks. Don't get Covid

ewww no, don't be getting sick Lunath. I pray you aren't doing that. If you have allergies, lot of plants are coming out and doing their thing, so maybe that...

I may or may not be able to hop in during the car ride to work

Oki! It's whatever you have time for!

I did not. xP

Nope

I did!

aside the part I was in the bathroom, yea

we did not

at least we're still here visiting, so not all's lost

Ours is next at 2pm ^v^ then there's an art stream right after

Give us a heads up whenever you want us to start recording, by the way.

Okay! In about a minute I'll start reading from my script again

5:58 pm

12:59 my time

(Last minute heads up for the folks who will be typing in chat for the Elaborating on the Uniqueness of Draconity panel, I am going to be recording the text chat in this channel, #panel-discussion-1, alongside the verbal discussion section as the panel progresses.)

Oki!

5:59 pm

I'm ready whenever y'all are for the recording

We've started the recording on our end.

Oki!

I like all creatures prrrrr

Yes we can!

Yes

We can still hear you okay!

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Mhm!

Thank you for sharing your experiences!

Thanks a lot!

I'm not able to speak on stage right now, but on the topic of shinies, I definitely have an affinity for rocks, gems, and other small trinkets because of my draconic identity

6:12 pm

Opals are one of my favorites too

I love how we are so diverse, but so similar at the same time!

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the precious metals are my favorite (such as I posted to photo nest), but certain stones are rather nice. I do like to find some unique or nice looking stone from different states I find myself in

I could not refer that much to hoarding gems, though I really like them and enjoy the energy / their uniqueness with me. What I do "hoard" though is "knowledge" in a broader sense

If that was in reference to me, I'm not able to speak because I'm in a room with other people, not Discord issues

its chill dw

My being loves Moldavite and other things that have come from space. It reminds me of my many homes I've had.

while I find rocks and minerals fascinating, I myself is more into pure colors. Then again, my hoard so far has been more immaterial

I love rocks and minerals, but I prefer to hoard knowledge and territory!

I've always had a pretty strong fascination with geology as a field of study, not just shiny rocks but stuff like rock layers made by the lava movements in the earth

quick question, when may we request to speak?

~~I like hoarding plants~~

well, territory requires a lot of gold, or force. Data is an easy thing to hoard w/ the internet

Wow, loving the diversity of hoards mentioned already

or hoard precious people uwu

If money wasn't an issue, we'd hoard dice, but they can get expensive

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@geigersnap can't hear you

I can hear

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We can hear them

6:17 pm

Hydra here!

you call? :p

DoveWithScales

@geigersnap can't hear you

I can hear

Other sea serpents?! For all the time I have been in I never met another sea serpent besides me....

-growls at Discord- Got it fixed. I remember the "real dragon" debate

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thing to remember is there are different kinds of dragonfolk

Hell yeah

I'd like to speak!

I don’t have any breath weapon at all, but I’m very dragon. I can shapeshift as a dragon tho

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A sis!

true!

Damn right Dove

6:20 pm

Someone else in the chat said they wanted to speak

Ryuu | 夢化竜

I don’t have any breath weapon at all, but I’m very dragon. I can shapeshift as a dragon tho

To some extend I feel that way, too, although I don't consider myself shapeshifter

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Me too : D

Ryuu | 夢化竜 ↩️

Reply to: I don’t have any breath weapon at all, but I’m very dragon. I can shapeshift as a dragon tho

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Strange looking or not: you're still a derg :p (edited)

I'm fairly mundane far's dragons go, but scaled nonetheless

I'm a noodle or a t-rex depending on which draconic species o' mine you look at.

I think because I'm biped in nature, some folks think I'm trying to be a humanized version of dragon or something... so in the overall debate or thought on what is real or not, to an extent some may think less of me in such a draconic regard

If you look at different myths about dragons through different cultures, there is also so much diversity... There is not "the one" Dragon. Dragons are so wide spread...

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The uniqueness of Draconity is basically that we all share something with each other, despite sometimes not being able to explain what that something is, while still being completely unique beings. I find that a very beautiful thing.

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Our hydra-ness is a system thing for us too! It's a linktype several of us collectively share

everybody has value, that's an important thing to keep in mind

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I'd love to discuss this in voice, but I'm stuffing my face with pizza. dragnpizza

I can't really talk right now unfortunately, but i did want to say that I've also seen a lot of diversity in the kinds of draconic languages people know and speak from past/concurrent lives, everyone is valid in their own languages of course and it's really nice seeing them all. Personally I can't actually speak the language I remember from my past life, since it would require physical vocal cords that I sadly don't have anymore but I've had some success in re-creating the writing system I used to use

Who you calling people?! drgnflareeyes

Grwarr

I'd be game!

Yup!

Yes!

Turtle/Moonwatcher 💚

I can't really talk right now unfortunately, but i did want to say that I've also seen a lot of diversity in the kinds of draconic languages people know and speak from past/concurrent lives, everyone is valid in their own languages of course and it's really nice seeing them all. Personally I can't actually speak the language I remember from my past life, since it would require physical vocal cords that I sadly don't have anymore but I've had some success in re-creating the writing system I used to use

@(Luunaathh) someone could maybe read this aloud for Moonwatcher?

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Ah, yeah, I can go ahead and do such!

Aaa thank you!

What does a saying in psychology state: The I matures at the you

Awakening certainly gave me a ... chance? opportunity? to develop myself mentally as a teenager and find a deeper spiritual meaning to this life on Earth.

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It is so great that by being part in the community, we can mature in our true selves

Thank you!

I'd need to be on my phone to talk, audio over the computer here isn't super fantastic. I'm a bit like Lunath in that I don't have any past or thoughts/feelings on the past regarding who I am... it's to me something that shall come about in the eternal life after this, but having a certain inherent feeling regarding that even here/now. It'd seem unthinkable to most likely, as it ties in with my Christian beliefs as well in a regard that may not make sense (or seem a tad absurd) to most "normal thinking folks".. hencewise I don't talk about it a whole lot to terribly many

Shared thoughts and feelings, like a shared mind

Lost my voice connection for whatever reason and I got nothing else to say so might as well step down

Norwaro

Shared thoughts and feelings, like a shared mind

That's how it is for me, and this I actually have with some dragons even in this life

I feel that, about not having emotions tied to the past

This was lovely, thank you all!

The vibe is alrdy there! Its so great to be here

Yeah thanks for hosting, it was lovely hearing everyone!

Thank you! It was lovely.

Bye thanks everyone!!!

thank you!!!

Thank you as well!!

thanks y'all for sharing

Where do we want to move to?

Oh I missed it cjxnkdsmnz

Dinocanid

Oh I missed it cjxnkdsmnz

Join voice!

@Nova [☆] Dergs curious.. how many of a hydra are you?

It's alright! We're actually coninuting the discussion in the regular voice chat!

KeystoneDarkJade

@Nova [☆] Dergs curious.. how many of a hydra are you?

We’re a 3-headed hydra

ever argue with yourself?

everyday

oh my LOL Sounds like that would make relationships difficult. Video was good, nicely done

Great video panel, Nova! eyess

yes!

Thank you it was just awesome <3

very good!

You all did awesome!

like what you'd see as professional career/job advice, but with some specifics for our people

I wasn't able to stay for the full panel but what I saw was lovely and well made

Thank you for the amount of work you did, that was really clear and I believe it can help many!

It was really interesting, thanks for doing it!

As a system who picked their field of study and career based off their alterhumanity, we really liked it.

i have had trouble navigating jobs as a draconic being so this was great!

it's a bit of a money struggle, but I'm trying to do everything to avoid a job world (years and years in the corporate world really turned me off to it, esp the OT hrs and lack of what I'd call appropriate time off)

We worked at a sushi place for a few years and WOW YEAH it was hard not to just, eat the raw fish some days.

mmmm sushi

On the topic of dragons not showing at work: Since I had worn sometimes dragon tshirts there and my background was always a dragon and I did accidentally a rawr in a job meeting with in the meeting with the leaders, they gave me at hatchday this Tshirt XD I work for DB as an engineer, so that was a very awesome present XD

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I just want to compliment you on putting this all together, the way everything was laid out and how you kept the red thread throughout the story was really nicely done.

oh wow, nice Norwaro. That'd be cool. Would be neat to be in a company where dragon is in the logo or they like using it in various things around the office/teambuilding/etc

Food aggression?

I'll go ahead and add my two cents if others are done speaking, I don't want to interrupt or talk over others.

KeystoneDarkJade

oh wow, nice Norwaro. That'd be cool. Would be neat to be in a company where dragon is in the logo or they like using it in various things around the office/teambuilding/etc

I am so glad that my company is so open, so extremely happy for it's diversity and openly showing that too. They love to have people in their even that are "different", special in their own way. They openly support it, want individualism, even made a train driving around germany labeled LGBTQ+ Intercity Express Train as a sign for Diversity and Acceptance And even if you are yourself and show that off, it's simply accepted, it's supported and wanted that you are you. It's just great.

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(Luunaathh)

I'll go ahead and add my two cents if others are done speaking, I don't want to interrupt or talk over others.

Go ahead if you're ready ^v^

sorry had to leave unexpectedly!

Oh whoops

no worries

Norwaro

I am so glad that my company is so open, so extremely happy for it's diversity and openly showing that too. They love to have people in their even that are "different", special in their own way. They openly support it, want individualism, even made a train driving around germany labeled LGBTQ+ Intercity Express Train as a sign for Diversity and Acceptance And even if you are yourself and show that off, it's simply accepted, it's supported and wanted that you are you. It's just great.

This sounds amazing to work at, I'm glad you found this place!

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I've always worked for Fortune 500 companies, so I tried to stay low key, although I'd throw little hints of a draconian nature out there in some instances (although the firey emails will kinda get you pulled into the mgr's office to discuss it hehe)

@Ravensworn Based on what I am seeing in this short a time, I'm assuming you have been drawing for a long time? I'm going into this completely blind and without checking any of your links, so forgive me if all the information is out there already, but would you mind telling a bit about how you came to this point?

We're using the little bubble chat integrated in the voice channel to have discussions

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Where's that? Could you show a screen shot

(•Luunaathh•) ↩️

Reply to: We're using the little bubble chat integrated in the voice channel to have discussions

It's at the top right, i'll try and take a screenshot

8:25 pm

It's right above the "show chat" thing

Oooh I must not have a specific setting on

I am not able to see the screen somehow

under Voice Presentation 1, hover over Ey-teneh's name and hit "Watch Stream", should take you in

It's stuck on loading for some reason

maybe go to another window outside the server, come back in and try again?

8:45 pm

I like that mirror effect where you can draw halves simultaneously, that's pretty cool. Very tribal/native, liking this

I fixed my issue. I just needed to use an older device XD

KeystoneDarkJade ↩️

Reply to: maybe go to another window outside the server, come back in and try again?

ummm, what an odd solution LOL

For real. This is what it looked like on my newest device. No chat option at all and you can't see it here but in full screen there was no image for the stream at all

KeystoneDarkJade ↩️

Reply to: ummm, what an odd solution LOL

Ooh it's me

I have been saved

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9:12 pm

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9:12 pm

9:13 pm

In case anyone is wondering who he is he’s Logan Velfast from the Vamp Sabbath web series!

If you get around to my submission, may I change the style?

9:15 pm

May I change my submission from the sticker style to the other style? Sorry, I cannot remember the name!

I think it’s called the Y’miith style?

So cool

(•Luunaathh•) ↩️

(click to see attachment)

Ah okay!

Yep we can hear you!

I can hear you

The next panel shouldn't be for another hour

Recipes featured in panel:

Vegan ground "beef"

https://www.acouplecooks.com/walnut-vegan-taco-meat/

Rice paper "bacon"

https://www.theedgyveg.com/2016/05/30/vegan-bacon-make-vegan-bacon-using-rice-paper/

Vegan shredded "chicken"

https://www.thecuriouschickpea.com/wp-json/mv-create/v1/creations/240/print General vegan/vegetarian resources:

Different ways to make seitan

https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/recipe-features/different-ways-to-make-seitan/

Vegan seafood

https://www.livekindly.com/best-vegan-seafood/

Vegan/Vegetarian protein overview

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/protein-for-vegans-vegetarians

Mushrooms as meat replacements

https://mokufoods.com/blogs/nutrition/9-types-of-mushrooms-that-make-great-meat-replacements General food resources:

US Food Safety

https://www.foodsafety.gov/

Taste Atlas

https://www.tasteatlas.com/

Kinfood

https://kinfood.tumblr.com/ Previous YouTube presentations: https://youtu.be/DMksVrlJUoU https://youtu.be/TrJI1xrG2V8

Sonja Overhiser

Vegan Walnut Taco Meat

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EdgyVeg

The Best Vegan Bacon: How To Make Vegan Bacon Using Rice Paper

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Food Editorial Team

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Audrey Enjoli

Fish Made from Plants? The Best Vegan Seafood to Try

Looking for the best vegan seafood products to try? These plant-based fish brands look, cook, and taste just like conventional fish.

We just added them to the YT vid as well

I've heard about watermelon being used as a replacement for raw tuna (and used in sushi !) It looked awesome, but I've never tasted it ^^ The idea was to marinate the watermelon with nori to give it this 'fish' flavour :3 (edited)

Any experiences with jackfruit? I'd love to try it.. is it worth it?

As a harmless veggie drak I guess I have to listen in on this panel.

I've had jackfruit a few times, and if it's flavored right, it's good! If now, ehh

Oooooh yes

Aëto (they/them)

I've heard about watermelon being used as a replacement for raw tuna (and used in sushi !) It looked awesome, but I've never tasted it ^^ The idea was to marinate the watermelon with nori to give it this 'fish' flavour :3 (edited)

This seems to be a great recipe ^^ https://biancazapatka.com/en/vegan-watermelon-tuna/

Bianca Zapatka

Vegan Watermelon Tuna Recipe (Sushi + Steaks)

This Vegan Watermelon Tuna recipe is the best fish-free alternative that tastes like real tuna! Perfect for vegan sushi and poke bowls!

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Aha! They bake the watermelon, then marinate it. Stunning.

I wanna try that so bad

We might have missed it, what's a safe food?

Yep!

Thank you again Kiera!

It was a really interesting panel!

Thank you! It was a blast to make, and I hope you all enjoyed it

Thanks for the panel & discussion!

i hope all i said made some sort of sense lol

Yes! Thanks for sharing!

Yeah, thanks so much! Makes me wanna try some recipes!

Heck yeah, that's the goal!

Yes, thank you dragntea

!! I want to try the lentils meatloaf you talked about ^^ (I don't have the ingredients for the other recipes yet X))

Lentil meatloaf is so good, especially if you put a tomato/ketchup glaze on top

6:03 pm

I think I need to go eat lunch, all this food talk is making me hungry lmao

Yummy

:3

Kiera Ember {it/its}

I think I need to go eat lunch, all this food talk is making me hungry lmao

Me too

And it's dinner time for me ^^

i already had lunch (ham and cheese on ciobatta, yum) but you guys enjoy yours!

Ohhhh, that sounds excellent

yes my mom is an amazing cook, she can make snacks with just anything in the fridge (something you learn from being poor lol)

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6:08 pm

she can make a bomb ass authentic feeling ramen with just chicken strips, maruchan packaged ramen, minced garlic and teriyaki dauce packets from takeout chinese places

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Damn! That's impressive

6:08 pm

Making good food from whatever you have on hand is a skill

I like adding a green onion to my ramen packets

6:55 pm

and you do ²⁄₃ part water and ¹⁄₃ part V8 or other veg juice to get some extra flavor going when boiling

Yup!

I can hear ya

Yes

yes

Yep!

Yep you're good!

Yup ^^ (Ahah I was watching an urbex video, it was all spooky and scary, and then I heard your voice super loud

)

First time for everything. :P

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Im going to be late to the panel but I'll join asap, looking forward to this one Dragonheart

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I do definetly

I don't know, is a generic bronze dragon "fictional?" My identity isn't from characters or species from books or movies or other media. (edited)

I'm a little too tired to come up and talk right now unfortunatly djfhdj I will say as I consider myself a fictive, I'd describe myself as an entity identifying as a fictional character from what is in this world a specific piece of media, in my case a book series, and for myself specifically I had a past life as one of those characters, and memories of that time (edited)

That's a big oof

it happens hlgjfhklgfjkl

Mhm, we can hear you

yup

Might be driving to grab some groceries so I might just go poof. But I still can listen. :P

A bit late on this in my case I'm questioning both plurality and being fictionkin (PMD Rescue Team Absol specifically) but even if both turn out to be the case then idk if I'd consider myself a fictive because being him does not feel like it's something that'd be necessarily "core" to my identity if that's a right word to use

6:15 pm

Yeah that makes sense to me

Yeah. We use fictive because people understand it. But the term we really dislike is "source" but its hard to note what thing of fiction is similar to you.

Honestly I don't really consider myself fictive or fictionkin because it just never felt right to me. P: Anyway I'll need to grab some groceries, but I'll continue listening. x3 (edited)

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You're doing fine, take your time

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No questions here

It's alright, you're doing well.

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Everyone's gotta start somewhere.

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It's alright!!! You're doing good so far

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I understand; try not to overthink it, you're doing alright

Yeah you're doing well

Well, I have a few moments where I went against my intuition and got massively screwed over.

But unfortunately it's kind of personal and not really comfy sharing it right now...

yooo sammme, every time it happened I swear to myself I will listen closer

I can't think of any specifically but admittedly my memory is pretty horrible, everything before a certain point just kind of blends together for the most part

I think I'm using intuition all the time, only mostly don't realize it (edited)

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I follow my intuition with people ^^ Like, often, I just know I am going to be friend with this person I've only met. The vibes are just right ^^ And I have not been mistaken so far :3 (One of my friend told me he didn't understand why I seemed so intent on befriending him, when I had no reason X))

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it's really hard to tell sometimes what is intuition and what is just being paranoid

Oh no

Hey, I'm a soulbond. Technically. It seems to me the term is a little loose in terms of definition though, it can be confusing.

A crowd on top of a crowd sounds aweful drgnhug

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Great to hear you are doing better than expected!

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Oh, you're doing wonderful, keep going dragnhappy

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Yeah for sure, I've been interested the whole time I've been listening

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adulting is for the birds

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What advice would you give your younger self if you could?

When I first became plural I definitely was very uncomfortable, too. It's really nice to hear that it's a normal thing to experience.

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Just saying that you have been quite an inspiration if I ever decide to make a panel.

Drakmanka

When I first became plural I definitely was very uncomfortable, too. It's really nice to hear that it's a normal thing to experience.

Yeah it took me forever to feel like I'm not somehow subconsciously making it up for attention, really it took me literally describing dissociation and Hrael telling me "yeah that's dissociation" to even consider it

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the plurality thing seems a bit of a bizarre concept to me, but best one can do in that regard is to see what those in that realm have to say describing it (edited)

"technically famous" Oh do I feel that. It's very awkward being someone's favorite character when you don't feel like you're a character.

I'd love to hear another panel from you

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Same!

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Yeah! You did great!

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It's a good topic

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Thanks for the panel!

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Thank you so much!!

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Thank you for the pannel dragnmlem

✨ !

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thanks for hosting this one

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Yeah thank you so much

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Mhm I'd join for that too!! And thank you very much for hosting this

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Good job for the panel!

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7:01 pm

OK So, I have not listened to Part 1, is it required? I feel like I should skip this for now and catch up with recordings

We can hear you

yes!

I won’t be able to attend this panel either, though I can’t wait to watch the recording later!

Sorry I just got home and switched devices -- is listening to Part 1 required first?

7:05 pm

Awesome. I'll backtrack to Part 1 later. x3

*Why be a human when you can be anything* Big mood

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how's that meme go on the internet: "if you can be the dragon, ALWAYS be the dragon"

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I wish I can not be human. But I haven't gotten the hang to control aspect of it besides being aware dragnsad

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Amber must have to do presentation slides professionally for work >>;=)

actually i think my cat often pushes me into that "wake back to bed" pattern - he wakes me up for cuddles in bed and then i fall back asleep and end up having very vivid dreams

maybe cat purrs help?

Maybe just use "am I a dragon?" as a check :P Also maybe a a tip: slow transformations tend to be very unstable. Transform as fast as possible, just "instantly" become a dragon. I actually have a bit of trouble with that myself, getting it to be instant, and fighting with my dream to get myself to transform, but it happens very slowly and by the time it's almost done I wake up.

essentially... if something is that shouldn't be, it's definitely a dream, but just because the laws of physics follow, it could still be a dream. Times I realize I'm dreaming part of the time, it's not a physics problem, but say... I realize I know somebody in a dream I don't know in RL or something around what is my house in a dream isn't something about my RL home. In the course of a dream, things will be a little askew in some way

7:21 pm

@Bluefire or "am I 10ft tall and taking out every ceiling fan with my horns?" >>:=p Also, sounds like a career is a hinderance (probably because you can't sleep when your body wants but when you have to in order to get to work on time, etc)

Bluefire

Maybe just use "am I a dragon?" as a check :P Also maybe a a tip: slow transformations tend to be very unstable. Transform as fast as possible, just "instantly" become a dragon. I actually have a bit of trouble with that myself, getting it to be instant, and fighting with my dream to get myself to transform, but it happens very slowly and by the time it's almost done I wake up.

I’ve had partial transformation, and full body ones. They are indeed instantaneous But it is harder to tell time in dream.

if you ask a bird if you are dreaming and he answers, you are dreaming (unless it's a raven or parrot because they like to mess with people)

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Regarding dream check, I have take my most of the time wild and physically unreasonable dreams for granted, so when I fell into the rare case of mundane dream, I have a hard time to know if they are dreams.

I tend to have these super boring dreams where I'm in some room or trying to get some task done, and no matter what I do in the dream, I can't get out of the room or complete whatever I'm doing... those drive me crazy, but thankfully I'm getting where it gets so annoying, I will wake up. Hopefully then I can get back to sleep if it's not already around time I'd be getting up to kind of reboot and get out of that inescapable loop

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it does get very confusing when having dream that I’m in the semi third person/first person view when I know in some way “it is not “me”” to be simultaneously observer and the one experiencing the event

yea, those are weird Ryuu... I had that before waking this morning... driving a vehicle as if I were in the vehicle but from outside it... sort of live if you were in a driving game

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KeystoneDarkJade

I tend to have these super boring dreams where I'm in some room or trying to get some task done, and no matter what I do in the dream, I can't get out of the room or complete whatever I'm doing... those drive me crazy, but thankfully I'm getting where it gets so annoying, I will wake up. Hopefully then I can get back to sleep if it's not already around time I'd be getting up to kind of reboot and get out of that inescapable loop

have you tried to find or make a door and walk through and out of the room

that's my trouble... I haven't been able to dream in such a way I get to control the dream... whenever I try to get a handle on things, I just simply wake up

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Most of my nightmares take the form of being in a disembodied, third person view where I can watch but can't do anything. Only my absolute worst nightmares have me as myself in them. And oddly I often recognize I'm dreaming in those third-person nightmares but can't seem to gain control over them, like because I'm disembodied I can't actually interact with the dream at all.

how about using your dream-hands to pull open your dream-eyes?

to be fair, if the dream is annoying, I don't mind a reboot; it's the more interesting/pleasant dreams I don't want out of

KeystoneDarkJade

to be fair, if the dream is annoying, I don't mind a reboot; it's the more interesting/pleasant dreams I don't want out of

considering you can have stronger lucid dream, that might even be a good thing?

How about you just imagine your eye lids become translucent?

would have to keep trying Ryuu. My sleep has been kinda bluhh of late, perhaps due to diet?

KeystoneDarkJade

would have to keep trying Ryuu. My sleep has been kinda bluhh of late, perhaps due to diet?

can confirm from personal experience changes in waking world and imbalances can effect dream for the worse

I had that as a hatchling, and always the same dream... I stood up like each mrrrawrning when getting to school but it was in the dream, got outside and walking in a colorful landscape, next to the river I walked along each time when going to school every day... and I was running, faster and faster, before transforming and spreading my wings and then just flying over my village.... higher and higher, never stopping.... Dark midnightblue scales and a long tail when I looked at myself.... And this happened over and over and over again. For 4 years nearly 5 times a week.....

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And then one day it just stopped, I don't know why.....

@Ryuu | 夢化竜 well... our enviornment/experiences in our day-day life I feel like affect our mental state in the dream world, so I don't see why not. I think our overall health or diet can play a role too since the pituitary gland is important in sleep and if your system is "off" nutritionally or otherwise, I think it can affect sleep, and thus... what the mind is subconsciously doing when sleeping

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How do you know how long a lucid dream lasts ?

ok i kinda wanna try this

Is that healthy? Can you get into deep / long enough deep sleep periods if you just go 2/2/2/2 ?

@Norwaro that's interesting. My dreams don't repeat, save maybe a couple or 3 times that I have any recollection of ever happen. It's something new everytime for me

I've found it really hard to transform in my dreams because I'm pretty much always in my true form/a fully draconic form anyway oop- (edited)

lucky Turtle. I've only had 3 or 4 as me dreams, and one where it was extremely real in bed in my room

I guess it's easier for me to get snout and scales in lucent dreams as I feel them nearly all day IRL as phantom limbs too, sometimes more, sometimes less....

Thank you very much for the panel! I'll certainly watch P1 and then try this for myself. :D I need to head off though so see you all later! (edited)

Turtle/Moonwatcher 💚

I've found it really hard to transform in my dreams because I'm pretty much always in my true form/a fully draconic form anyway oop- (edited)

I’ve had many dream shift but not as myself, but as various different type of dragons. It’s hilarious at some time but also frustrating in others

Ok ^^

is lucid dream being clear and colorful unusual? or is it dependent on say, if someone might have aphantasia

7:57 pm

sounds almost like reality shifting

Thank you so much for the breathtaking panel <3

Thank you!

Thanks !

Thank you so much, it was super exciting and interesting !!

Turtle/Moonwatcher 💚

I've found it really hard to transform in my dreams because I'm pretty much always in my true form/a fully draconic form anyway oop- (edited)

I'll say that in most of mine I'm just like a vague "presence" to my knowledge, I never really actually myself but I don't really dream enough to notice any patterns The only specific ones that've really stuck with me where I am definitively something is one I had being a Luxray where I crossed a desert on my own for reasons I don't think I was ever actually aware of that happened a few years ago (edited)

Thank you very much for hosting!!

thank you! always loved lucid dream talk!

Thanks for another fascinating panel!

be well Amber. Danke again for sharing!

Thanks so much everybody! This was fun!

Ahah I did a reality check in a dream last night X) I checked wether a scar I have was there (it's usually not there in dreams). The scar was there, I happily conclude I was awake, and kept going with the dream, blissfully ignoring that I was dreaming X)

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